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Permalink Reply by 3ema2io74zpwd on August 10, 2011 at 7:57pm

Ascension mean = asending Christ to GOD. I am sure that is not what most people are talking about. Second the idea of over powering fear. I call that hiding. The Government is killing many people and people don't want to believe that. That is not fear that is ignorance. Fear is being aware of what is really happening. Then being responcible for your actions. Yes many will say good or bad. Defence is good, while attack is bad.
Stopping a sick Gov is right allowing a sick Group to destroy is bad. Most people attack in a times of fear. Fear is good. Walking into a train is stupid not over comming fear. Man has very little time to geth his act togehter to stand up and win back his rights.
Awarness means learning the turth not hiding from it. You don't need to go to GOD to find it. You don;t need god to tell you what to do. YOu don't need anything eccept a pair of Balls to stand up for the truth. Things are bad you don't just say they will get better.
To think because change is comming it has to be good. Change is comming and you don't have to get involved. YOU DO HAVE TO> or there will be no future as we know it. The Mayans went not very spiritual people nor were many other races. To think how long man allowed killing and worshipped it.
The answer is in front of your face if you want to look.

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Permalink Reply by Marco Frangos on August 11, 2011 at 9:23am

Hi Tommy,i think what you wrote you should send to the website!:)(ascension101)there are many different inerpretations of ascension,the planet is goin through this process FACT and we along with it,if we choose,this is planetary ascension,what happened with Christ is cosmic ascension,that is a different matter,for only a few highly evolved beings,like Christ.
I dont know why you feel you have to write all this other stuff,fear,government murdering people etc that is a different subject,i have not expressed my views on these subjects here.i put this on here for anyone interested in ascension,thats all.

Anyway since you want to debate these other issues,i will say my points of view.
First FEAR in its right place to save us from danger is fine BUT being controlled by it and living fearfully,not fine.Yes feel the fear and and work through it i say.Just because we are aware that all this shit is going on and that those in power wish to harm us doesnt mean we should feel fear,our core is Divine power and darkness and evil just a shadow and i choose to excercise my power of choice,in living the life I choose ie one of love,service and awakening people to reality(which includes the dark side of what is going on)Yes we MUST be responsible for our actions,actions that are for the highest good of all.And yes we MUST stand up for our rights and work together to do this,to unite against the common enemy(govs etc).
I agree awareness is def learning the truth and ACTING on it.And no you dont need to go to GOD or anywhere cos everything is within us already,inc GOD!Yes balls needed,courage to stand up and not take any shit!And yes things are as bad as ever in many ways and but they CAN get better but that is up to US the people!You are right alot of people think that the change is gonna be good so they dont need to get involved,that is a big mistake and maybe what the powers that be want us to think so we dont do anything,yes we do have to do something,i totally agree with you there.
But i in my opinion re Mayans i believe they were a v spiritual people who originated from Maya in the Pleadies but maybe i and many others are wrong.But the truth of human sacrifice is there for all to see and it is still going on and you are right most people dont want to see the truth cos of FEAR!(and pure ignorance)and this has been orchestrated by the murderers themselves!
Tommy i know you used YOU alot in your writing but i choose not to take this personally esp as you dont actually know MY views(until now!:))next time the use of THEY might be lmore impersonal and appropriate.Peace brother and lets stand together for our rights!:)

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Permalink Reply by 3ema2io74zpwd on August 11, 2011 at 3:35pm

I will say if anyone thinks a killing race of people are spiritual we are all in trouble. Are many of you aware how many people the Mayans sacrificed never mind almost killed the Aztecs completely out of existence.
People want to think they are spiritual - going through ascension. No the earth always changes by going into an ice age with allows all things to start over. It is man thinking something totally new is going to happen. The earth has been doing thousands of years before anyone lived on this planet and will even after all the people leave.
We are going through a change yes. The next five months will reveal everything that will be happen to the planet and what man will have to deal with. I am sure most people look as ascension as a good thing. Yes if you were that spiritual to really do it. Life is just that man has not learned very much in 10,000 years. To think they are going to take a giant step in a years is a great illusion. No race that most people know lived without killing another races. That is far from spiritual no matter what God or force you deal with.
People should be thinking how they are going to work together to live over the idea of making money and hiding from the truth. With conditions in Africa how can anyone say they really car about the people on the planet.
As long as man allows GOV to control our spiritual growth man will never experience Ascension unless he goes against the system. Sadly any spiritual person that tries is usually killed. Just look all our spiritual people 95% were shot or poisoned. The few that lived survived being poisoned.
Ascension is a great word. Just the definition is being formed into a idea that most new age people think it should mean.
If the Sun starts moving closer to the planet and the planet starts heating up, Fear would be a real thing because you know what it is going to do. Yes if you just sit there doing nothing thinking about dying you will die in that fear. Knowing it is starting to destroy the planet and there IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT> you can live doing thing the best you can, but the real fear that the planet is being destroyed is always there and always getting worse but the reality is you are building a safe zone inside yourself.

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Permalink Reply by Ashana on August 11, 2011 at 6:39pm

Tommy,

Ascension is first of all rising consciousness through awareness that will rise vibrational level. Why not to see that what is happening now not simply destruction of life itself (because it is) but also a tool delivered to us to awaken, recognize inner power and stay with it no matter what. That our power is within us and that is the power given to us at the birth of our Souls and stays forever. It is that Divine sparkle that we need to recognize and ignite. Through this sparkle we are all connected to the God. I am not talking about God's that attributed to different religions, but God as a creative force
that created all that exists from tiny sand to the Cosmos and holding all together. That force acting within specific laws and all is in order as long it following it.
The sparkle of Divine is a point we need to go to in order to return to Source - that is our journey of Ascension.

From time of creation of our our souls we were in Highest Dimensions (of the Source), then we descended in 3D density and now through consciousness and experiences we are on the road back - to the Source or God / Creator. That is our Ascension. No matter what we think - all will be done in Divine Order.

We can have long conversations and lists of injustices and difficulties we are subjected to, what is happening now, what was before and all that is true. But is not about that list: it is about the way we relate to it.

If we relate with anger - we dis empower ourselves - although healthy dosage of it keep our inner fire going. It is because negative feelings, anger, rage, fear and so on are lowering our vibrational level and feed those who wish to destroy us. It destroys only us from within.

So many people are not awakening now, they simply do not get it. Until they will be 'hit over head'( Russian expression). Why not see those atrocities as a tools for awakening as much people as possible.
See the new act and.. make a move like in chess game. Keep that list active but without those emotions. Remember, that if they are so strong and powerful, why they need to destroy us? Why they are so afraid children that started practically war against children and woman? They simply scared of power of children without regards how kids looks or behave like. They are here to destroy them and we, adults, need to help them and protect them. That is one example. Just stay calm, make an inner inventory of their actions and your reactions... Calmly and with increased inner satisfaction.

Inner stability is important, but with combined with clarity of mind and awareness that is real progress.

The energy that is holding all creations id Love. Not the Love we humans love to express through Romance and attraction to one another. It is indeed attraction of All. You do not have to feel it as we, but it is through consciousness and unity, understanding of it and accepting as a Cosmic (Divine) Law whole Cosmos that all creations are based on.

The link that Marco suggested is an excellent one. I am sure that some day you will see it in different way than now.

Much Love to you,
Ashana

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Permalink Reply by 3ema2io74zpwd on August 11, 2011 at 10:44pm

Sounds great. I very well know God vs gods.
Ascension I see very few people trying to understand GOD. Going back to what one doesn't know. Why would you think now for a starter. The Gov is covering up what will be happening in four months. Man thinks he is more spiritual????? What is any proof of that at any level other then EGO? Crime, starvation, homeless, Child abuse, Woman abuse is higher then ever in history. 8 out 10 woman will be abused before they are forty. That is spiritual. Maybe in your home town. Are you watching Africa? Is any one aware there are five Wars going on now. Look at London's anarchy, that will have to happen around the world. It would have to change the Government. Does any one listen to the News. 30 of our men were killed and they sad it was the worse attack. Why did we not do something about it? Why was it is the same ones that killed ??? BIN Laden.
Is any one really aware what is happening on the SUN right now? What will be happening in four months. Sorry I have been dealing with everything people don't want to face. Like what the HAARP is really doing, why they are spraying the world with Chemtrails. What the Gov really knows about UFO's and aliens. Most people would rather site back and say they are becoming spiritual. Yes the earth is already shifting. The SUN and the MOON are in different places. The magnetic field is moving not to make people more spiritual. People really need to think about where food will coming from in a very short time. Oh don't forget man has already contaminated the ocean and every lake inside the US.
DIVINE LAW. GODS wrath will clean the planet. Yes GOD created all other gods, all aliens all angels, all deities all beings and man yes. That doesn't make man recognize he is accountable to IT. The Ten Commandments are not bad for people to follow no matter where they came from. Sadly they can't even do that. Spiritual ascending into ego when it should be TRUTH, Not ego but God's truth.
We could have been on the way back to God if any one listened. How many out there are allowing their children to go to war or went to war. People forget it is only the other side of the fence it is not a creature there like many call them. It is the leaders that force their people to kill for their pleasure. It has never change all through history. People can talk all they want.
LIKE ONE NATIVE ELDER SAID WORDS ARE JUST WORDS UNTIL THEY ADD UP TO SOMETHING.
We allow farmers to go into bankruptcy while we pay doctors millions of dollars create drugs which only keeps people sick. Here is a warning watch what will happen to Organic farms. They are covered with toxins that they are spraying .
Clarity of mind can only happen when one is clear about GOD. It has nothing to do with all the ideas of the people that tried to create religions or false laws. If you ask ten scientists why the Gov would need to cut the population is because most of them are useless for their needs. WHY do you think the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Nobody has seen nothing yet. It is not fear it is called truth.
Last thought to ponder. Why do you think the GOV built hundreds of underground cities along with their bases??? In six months you can call we whatever you want. There were eight earth quakes today over 5.1 up 5.9. That has been growing every day for four months to a total of 270 a week right now. One just a half hour ago. Yes many people will ascend not sure the way they think.

DANGER WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO SEE MIGHT MAKE YOU THINK.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/75677/Underground_bases_bei...



I did not make this video up. This is only one. Check out Jesse Ventura's show about them. I know this is fact. This has nothing to do with aliens even. That is something totally different.
ASCENSION. funny that means the middle and poor class people. The rich will be moving underground. It is sad that till the last minute, man will hide behind his own ego. I am personally going after the greatest speakers on that subject now.

OH they have the date wrong. We are a lot closure to what will be happening.

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Permalink Reply by Ashana on August 12, 2011 at 3:02am

I guess in my comment I have said all I wanted to say.
Looks like just need some one to hear your thoughts. Thank you for expressing self.
Ashana

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Permalink Reply by Marco Frangos on August 12, 2011 at 9:08am

Thank you both for expressing yourselves!It is good to hear the two sides of things.I watched the video of underground bases,they can die in thier self created tomb for all i care!Interesting and if that is the reality they choose,so be it!
WE create our reality for better or worse and i know where i am going!:)Tommy all the negative things you are talking about are true indeed,sadly.What can WE do?Be aware,make our choices,remove ourselves from the system as much as poss,have faith in our higher power,have compassion for ALL,yes even the perpetrators,we ALL are linked from source BUT that doesnt mean we dont stand up against atrocity or take any s**t.Yes these things make me feel anger aswell,that gives me the energy to stand up and try and make people aware.Its true most people are so stuck in their mouse trails,totally blind to mwhat is going on but the perpetrators of darkness have made it this way,through media,education,health,s**t food,water etc they have successfully dumbed down and blind folded the masses!
OUR JOB is to awaken as many as possible to the truth!We the people outnumber them many times over and if enough people were aware there would be REVOLUTION in the name of love and justice(not the idiots in UK who have taken things too far,the result being that the original issues of Police corruption etc have been put aside as the people are focussing on the madness of the rioters...this is just what the perpetrators wanted,another distraction from the truth of what is really going on.)

So lets not debate about ascension,believe what you will,our beliefs create our reality,the real point here is that we DO something to help as many as possible and fix the mess we are in,while having a positive vision for the future...that is my choice and right..to create that future for myself and loved ones,even in the midst of chaos and darkness i stand in peace,that is my core and evryones,no matter what we are led to believe,we all came from oneness FACT and shall return to that FACT!Ok thats my views!Thanks again both of you and Ashana,when i read your words i know why we are kindred spirits,Tommy thanks for video link,im gonna spread it!PEACE!M:)

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Permalink Reply by 3ema2io74zpwd on August 12, 2011 at 1:40pm

We can do much more then one thinks. The words are get involved with all life not just your own. It most of the people inside the US voted for the third party that would be a great start. Then changing congress would help. Forcing them to show where all our money really is going. Making Gov help all people. Man can do much more then sitting there praying. It hasn't worked in thousands of years.
What can we do ????? if a criminal rapes a person keep him locked away. Make sure every has MEDICAL like Canada. What can we do face what is happening and bring awareness to it. I know GOD is watching and that is why IT created this world. To make soul grow. Man has decided not too. While every day they say they are. Man can learn to work together (they will) sonner or later. We need to stop tor shurt down the HAARP SYSTEM> People have to work together to get anything don or thy just dissapear.
What can we do >>>>>> Stop buying from WALMART, 3/4 owned by parts of the GOV. They are the people working with CHINA. Stop working with Japan untill they stop the FIsh kill as well as other countries.
What can we do???? Really go deeper inside our self and truly understand what we think GOD or SPIRIT is. At least act from the place. That is as close as Ascension one will get while in the PHYSICAL body.
Talking and saying something is only talk. Talk is cheap. I just finished my third book and I am doing everything I can to tell my truth. I give free energy work and spiritual help always. I give my first two book saway to people that want to read them. I stand by my truth totally.
My side is not a side it is the truth. If one doesn't know that it is because they just don't want to know truth because then they might have to deal with it.
WHAT CAN ONE Do??????? CARE ABOUT ALL LIFE ON EVERYPART OF THIS WORLD> Not our backyard. Not just our family . Not just the GOOD GUYS.
You will learn much more about Ascension they reading a book or going to a class.

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Permalink Reply by Marco Frangos on August 15, 2011 at 8:52am

I agree Tommy these things are a v good start,basically we physically refuse to buy into this corrupt system and yes act from the stillness within us and YEs true love and caring is not just for our loved ones but ALL life good or bad...i agree this is what ascension is really about,its practical.classes and books just skim the surface,we have to BE the change AMEN

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